AKSpraya XDTalk 2K Member. The serial numbe on the frame (grip area) is the same 6 numbers and has an S or a 5 stamped at the end of the numbers but looks like it is not contiguous with the serial.perhaps done after mfg? The other side of the slide has the Carl Walther Stamp and then Waffenfabrik and it looks like Um / Da (sorry.

Just spent an interesting hour talking with a nice old WWII USAAF vet who flew P-47s in Italy and then France after D-day. He brought back a number of war souvenirs, one of which was a Walther PPK. I don't have a photo, but it's in about 95% condition, high polish blue, with brown Walther banner plastic stocks. The only magazine has a finger rest, also brown plastic. The slide reflects Zella Mehlis manufacture.

LSB#: 160132WM19 Make: Walther Model: PPK Serial Number: 185596W Year of Manufacture: 1930-1939 Caliber:.32 A.C.P. (7.65mm Browning) Action Type: Single or Double Action Semi-Auto with 7 Round Removable Magazine. Walther most often used the serial suffix to denote a model name: K-Kriminalpistole, P-Polizeipistole, A-Model 8 (Acht) and so forth. But the W is a mystery. It is hard to ascribe factory error to so many pistols that appear in two rather tight serial ranges. Premium paid for Walther Model 8 #727649 and Walther PP #975557.

It has a small proof on the left side of the slide - not having a magnifying glass, I could not make it out clearly, but I recall no number under the eagle, so it's not a waffenamt. I think this is a commercial gun. The serial number is 285930, no suffix. We've got a lot of knowledgeable folks on the board - can anyone tell me the year of manufacture?

I'm estimating 1940, but I cannot glean much info of the internet. I understand Hoffschmidt's Know your Walther PPK book has a serial number chart, but I don't happen to have one. Can anyone help me help this member of the greatest generation? Thanks, John (Added 10/21/14) See pictures on post #4! Ser# 285,xxx on a Walther PPK (ZellaMellis) should have a 'K' suffix to the number on the frame. The matching ser# marked on the right side of the slide was generally with-out the suffix.

Serial numbering for the PP pistol started at #75,000 (1929) PPK production started shortly after that (maybe late 31 or '32) and used the same serial number range as the PP model. When ser#'s reached 1,000,000 for each Model,the numbers were started over again at the 100,000,plus the addition of a 'P' suffix on the PP and a 'K' suffix on the PPK. (A few thousand run of PPk's were ser#'d with so called 7 digit numbers (million series),no suffix letter. There's always an exception isn't there. I don't have a ser# chart handy,it's some where in the stack.

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But I'd agree that with the ser# (assuming it does or SHOULD have the 'K' suffix,1940 or 41 would be a good guess. The high polish blue and fine fit and overall finish was still in order at that time. It wasn't long after that shortcuts started to show but they were gradual at first.

Commercial proofs would be in order. At about that time the German Gov't proof mark was being changed to the Eagle/N for nitro proof. 4/1/40 was the date that the old German Crown/N nitroproof mark was elliminated and replaced with the Eagle/N.

That can help date the pistol to either side of that date. But realize that changes didn't happen overnight, on time or in any perfect order. Another mark to look for if not a German Military issue weapon (no WaffenAmpt),would be possible German Police Issue. A tiny Eagle/L or Eagle/C marking is all there was. Sometimes on the frame on the left side right under the mag release,or in that area. May also be on the slide, on the right side usually. Any of the proof, Military issue or (Nazi) Police markings would be marked/stamped thru the original finish,not before it was blued.

Check the magazine to see if it is perhaps #'d to the pistol. On the finger extension, the serial number was often pantograph engraved into that extension. Sometimes stamped into the mag body on either side or even the spine of the mag. Not a lot of hard and fast rules however! I'll see if I can find that list. (I've got that book, but I don't recall a ser# chart in it,unless it was an addendum page and I lost it.

I'll check it anyway) Added. I found a listing of ser#'s from the old Walther board. I think it's been published in a book so I won't post it. It says PPK mfg in 1940 as betw ser#'s 262,xxx and 307,2xx (all with a suffix K) Any production year/ser# lists for the PPk and PP are based on old records outside of Factory production records, those no longer exist AFAIK. In other words they are an educated guess, but in most cases fairly accurate. Hope this helps. Today I got to re-visit the old WWII vet, and he graciously allowed me to photograph his Walther PPK, which I now estimate as having been made in early July, 1940.

The serial number does indeed have the 'K' suffix, which I missed in my early examination under dim light. It also shows commercial 'Eagle over N' proof marks.

There was no serial number anywhere on the magazine. Here are some pics: And here's a picture of the old gent himself, posing with a model of a P-47 complete with his old squadron colors, and his PPK. It was an honor and a privilege to talk with him; the WWII combat vets have been my heroes since childhood. Hope you enjoy the pictures.

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LSB#: 160132WM19

Make: Walther

Model: PPK

Serial Number: 185596W

Year of Manufacture: 1930-1939

Caliber: .32 A.C.P. (7.65mm Browning)

Action Type: Single or Double Action Semi-Auto with 7 Round Removable Magazine

Walther Ppk Serial Number With Suffix Prefix

Markings: The left side of the slide is marked with the Walther “Banner” logo, “Waffenfabrik Walther Zella-Mehlis (Thur) / Walther’s Patent Cal. 7,65m/m” and “MOD. PPK”. The right side of the slide below the port opening and the right side of the barrel at the port are marked with a “Crowned N” proof as used prior to 1940. The right side of the frame behind the trigger is marked “185596 W” and inside a box with “NOT ENGLISH MADE”. The right rear of the slide and frame are marked with a crowned circle with a “V” inside – a British view mark for “non-English made guns”. The barrel at the port is also marked with a crowned circle with “V” inside, a crowned circle with “GP” inside (London definitive proof for non-British made gun), and “NP” (Nitro proof).

Barrel Length: 3 3/8”

Sights / Optics: The front sight is a low profile blade fixed to the slide. The rear sight is a flat topped “U” groove in the top rear of the slide. The top of the slide has a full length rib which is serrated to reduce glare.

Stock Configuration & Condition: The grip is a one piece checkered brown plastic with streaks of black and red running through it that encloses the backstrap. There is a Walther Banner Logo at the top of the grip on each side. The smooth areas at the tops of the grips show surface bubbling from a harsh chemical. The checkering shows light wear with no mars and the smooth borders show only a very few light marks. There is also a tiny crack at the top of the grip screw on the right side of the grip and a few hairline surface cracks in the rear border of the left side of the grip. The grip rates in about Fine condition.

Type of Finish: The finish is blued and the de-cocker is straw colored. .

Finish Originality: All Original

Bore Condition: The bore is bright and the rifling is sharp. There is no erosion…

Overall Condition: This handgun retains about 84% of its metal finish. There is thinning on the edges of the slide with pinprick surface erosion sprinkled over the top and left side of the slide, the left side of the frame and the front strap. There are also a few light handling marks on the sides of the slide, the right side of the frame and the front strap. The hammer and safety serrations show very light wear and the checkering on the magazine release and the slide serrations are sharp. The grip screw is distressed and the markings are clear. Overall, this handgun rates in about Fine condition.

Mechanics: The action functions correctly. This pistol has a slide mounted de-cocker that blocks the firing pin and a magazine release mounted on the left side of the slide. The double action trigger pull is a little stiff and the single action pull is light and crisp. This pistol was not designed with a magazine disconnect, but the slide does lock back on an empty chamber. We did not fire this handgun.

Box, Paperwork & Accessories: This pistol comes with one 7 round factory magazine. The body has a black phosphate finish and the floorplate is blued. The magazine is marked on the lower left side with the Walther banner logo and “PPK 7,65 m/m”. The magazine shows light thinning and the floorplate shows only light mark. The magazine is in about Fine overall condition. There is also a lanyard ring on the bottom of the grip frame behind the magazine.

Walther Ppk Serial Number Dates

Our Assessment: This Walther Model PPK was made in in the 1930’s before Germany changed their proof marks to an “Eagle / N” from the old “Crown / N” and somehow ended up in England where it acquired British proof and view marks. This pistol has a “W” suffix, but none of the books we consulted knew what the “W” stood for. . The PP stood for “Polizei Pistole Kriminalmodell” (Police Pistol Detective Model) and was used by the German police detectives (street cops carried the larger PP chambered in .380 A.C.P.). The PPK Model was also very popular in the civilian market. Adolf Hitler committed suicide with a PPK and a PPK was used by the fictional character James Bond after “M” made him trade-in skeletonized Beretta. The pre-war pistols are considered more collectible than any other period except for those made during the war, and the quality and workmanship on these pistols is outstanding. This pistol is in Fine condition with about 84% of its original finish remaining. It shows thinning on the edges of the slide with pinprick surface erosion sprinkled over the top and left side of the slide, the left side of the frame, and the front strap. There are also a few light handling marks in the slide and frame. The grip is a one piece checkered brown plastic that shows some surface bubbling on their smooth tops from a harsh chemical and a few light marks. There is also a small crack at the edge of the grip screw on the right side and two surface cracks on the back edge of the left side. The checkering shows very light wear. The bore is bright with sharp rifling. This is a very collectible pistol, and we think the British proof marks are going to enhance its value. It is sure to end up in a collection of pre-war automatics.